Star Trek 11 - Major spoilers inside!

Jim Kynes
Commander
Executive Officer, Starbase 49

This post contains major spoilers.

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This movie was awesome.

When it was coming out, I tried my best to not find out anything about the movie apart from who was in it, and only watched the trailers, not any 'special clips' on talk shows and the like. My house was under strict instructions to change the channel immediately if anything came on the TV at all about the film. The odd website I'd be browsing would occasionally have a snippet of information that wasn't buffered by spoiler space and would let me know little pieces of the story. I wanted to un-remember these things, but alas, that is not possible.

Because of these snippets of information, I had a basic picture of the film and when I was waiting for the previews to finish, I was wondering what the film could be like, and how they'd done certain things wrong. My god was I wrong. Upon seeing the complete (motion) picture, I realised that that I'd seen, or read, was wrong. The movie explained almost everything I thought was wrong with it. It all made sense. This was brilliant story writing and directing.

Honourable mention to some of the roles. Pike, McCoy, Commander Spock, James Kirk, Scotty, Robau. There wasn't a weak character throughout, but those mentioned went above and beyond. Special mention also goes to Uhura's room mate. Wink

Really awesome moments - Anything with the Kelvin, Kelvin's shuttles escaping, the Kobiyashi Maru, Starfleet Academy Shuttlebay, Transporting, Sulu leaving dock, Meester Chekow saying Weector Weector, Kirk rescuing Pike, and Pike shooting the Romulan.

Few nitpicks, when they are escaping the black hole at maximum warp, how would ejecting the warp core and detonating push them out? Upon cessation of power to the warp field, the ship would be decelerating and would have fallen in before the detonation could have occurred. The explosion would have been slower than light, and fallen back into the hole before it could have pushed the Enterprise out of range, and not be faster than faster than light drive.

Spock on the turbolift to the bridge. They were NEVER that fast. Smile I'm sure Voyager had an ep where it took about 30s to get from the Bridge to the Messhall. ONE DECK!

The Kelvin. NCC- 0514?. Why not NCC-514. The Grissom didn't have the zero before its registry. The timeline was normal until just before her destruction, so nothing could have been affected to change the numbering scheme. Also one minute to collision? Surely that is enough time to bombard the Kelvin, destroy it, or at the very least, tractor it.

Enterprise launched in 2258, not 2245?

While I'm on dates, Stardates. I can dig that the Kelvin didn't use the Standard Stardate system used in TOS, and that the altered timeline carried that on, but Future Spock's ship's computer used it as well. Stardate 2387xx? It should have been about 64xxx.

Transporting long distances. Even in Voyager, they couldn't transport uber long distances (between 8 and 11 AUs from Saturn to Earth), or longer from Delta Vega to the Enterprise that was warping away and could have been Lightyears away by that point. It was also very doubtless that Mr Scott (who must have invented that algorithm in the last ten years before future Spock travelled back in time) or Mr Spock could have implemented the algorithm on the antique transporters of the past that simply wouldn't have had the power or range to go that far. It would be like changing an algorithm in your bluetooth adaptor in your computer to allow it to send information to the next city. Cannot be done. Different, much more directional antennae and majorly increased power to the device (assuming it wouldn't melt) may have a better chance at it over the stock device, but it simply wasn't designed to work at that range. * Unless they routed the signal through the main deflector like in that Season seven TNG ep, which was not mentioned at any point. Also the outpost didn't have a deflector dish. *

Black holes as time displacement wormholes?

Edit: Corrected some faulty italic formatting.

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First Officer
Starbase 49

Roy Veldman
Commodore
Chief Fleet Construction Officer, Acacia Fleet

I didn't read your whole post, still have to see the movie. But your first 2 paragraphs make me want to see it this minute! Wraaah! Have to wait until at least next week....

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Commodore Roy Veldman

Jim Kynes
Commander
Executive Officer, Starbase 49

While eating a hot curry, I had a brain fart.

I have a very simple explanation as to some of the differences e.g. Enterprise's Launch date, differences in design, in fact, most problems.

The Borg/First Contact temporal incursion, or the Temporal Cold War.

The only problem with that would be the Riker/Pegasus incident didn't change, unless that episode was from the primary TOS universe. That would explain the differences in uniforms, and also maybe that everyone's rank was the same as ten years earlier. The Enterprise parts of the episode were from the original TOS unaltered universe. The Defiant is explainable - it went back in time to the Mirror Universe from the primary TOS universe, not the ST XI universe.

Thoughts? Smile

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First Officer
Starbase 49

Roy Veldman
Commodore
Chief Fleet Construction Officer, Acacia Fleet

Just saw the movie, trying to sort my mind on what to think of it. It was a great movie, but it leaves me with this weird feeling. It _is_ Star Trek, but at the same time it isn't.

I think you just have to stop trying to explain everything that is different from what we know or knew of the Star Trek universe. This is just a new version of Star Trek, a different Star Trek universe, without Vulcan...

The difference in design/style is quite logical. Would you want to go see a movie today that had the boring styling of TOS? Watching TOS is fun, but because you know it was made with an extremely small budget. It's more important to keep the characters close to their origins, and they succeeded in that.

And now to get some sleep. Have to get to work in 6 hours :P

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Commodore Roy Veldman

 Rockape
Lieutenant Commander
Chief Security Officer, Starbase 49

Well Sirs, what can I say.

I've been a trekkie most of my life, I saw the film last Saturday......and loved it!! I went into it not knowing much about it, and just soaked everything up. I loved the humour, I loved the characters (including uhura's room mate). I was surprised about Spock and Uhura, but that didn't make any difference. All in all, I thought it was a great tribute to the original, and will do alot to bring Star Trek to a new generation

Ariyen Dynal
Rear Admiral
Commanding Officer, Acacia Fleet

There are a few vulcan members left, but true that the race would die out.

It makes me curious if they're going to do another one or not.

so much left out there to build on.

I am a true trek fan to heart. hehe.

Jim Kynes
Commander
Executive Officer, Starbase 49

The thing that makes me wonder though, is what about Vulcan colonies? Surely they must have a few, what with them having been space travelling for hundreds of years if not more. They may not be billion person colonies, but surely would number in their hundreds of thousands. Still enough to keep the race alive with an advanced breeding program (It sounds logical *Insert devil smiley here (How do you do that anyway? Gosh darn it...)* ) but would hardly count for the 'So few of us left' line. Alright, 500,000 left of 6,000,500,000 is a significantly small amount, but still ample to rebuild a population.

Possibly.

I need sleep...

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First Officer
Starbase 49

Roy Veldman
Commodore
Chief Fleet Construction Officer, Acacia Fleet

There is a quote in the movie that there are about 10,000 vulcans left. The vulcans that Spock saved in the katra-arc were 'downloading' all the katra (vulcan souls) into their minds. That's why their 'essence' has been saved. (Just like Spock did with his katra to McCoy on the end of Star Trek II).

And yes, there will be another movie. They're already writing it.

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Commodore Roy Veldman

Jim Kynes
Commander
Executive Officer, Starbase 49

Their essence may have been saved, but according to T'Pau in ST:III, restoring them 'has not been done since ages past.' (She was successful though - but she may not have survived the destruction of Vulcan.) Also if you don't have a body to restore them to then they will just be saved in memory thus making each Vulcan who stored those Katras unable to go into any dangerous situation. The risk of losing that many Katras would be too dangerous. Also McCoy sure had a big headache with just one Katra in his mind. Imagine thousands. Also how much storage memory would a Vulcan mind have? It would put Lt. Cmdr Data to shame. Smile

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Starbase 49

Greg Cambell
Lieutenant
Chief Flight Control Officer, Starbase 49

I really enjoyed the film. One thing that was a little annoying was that there was a little too much action on the go at one time, and it was like watching 2 films at the same time.

But the whole film was really good, and I really like scotty, not only because I love Simon Pegg as an actor (ive seen Hot Fuzz at least 20 times), and not only because I'm a scotsman, but for the sheer brilliance of his part. Would have loved to have seen more of him!

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Greg Campbell
Lieutenant
Chief Flight Control Officer
Starbase 49

Roy Veldman
Commodore
Chief Fleet Construction Officer, Acacia Fleet

Yeah, Scotty was brilliant. Too bad they gave him the ugliest engineering department ever.

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Commodore Roy Veldman

Greg Cambell
Lieutenant
Chief Flight Control Officer, Starbase 49

Touche Commodore!

But in fairness, the beast which "would be full after eating a bean" (what race is it?) was Like Laurel to Hardy, Ronnie to Ronnie, Cannon to Ball (there all comedy duo's if you don't know who they are) so I really like him!, but what is with all those pipes? and nanecells?

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Greg Campbell
Lieutenant
Chief Flight Control Officer
Starbase 49

Jim Kynes
Commander
Executive Officer, Starbase 49

Well I have the Hot Fuzz DVD. :P Aye, I agree. Engineering looked too much like a 21st century brewery, and to make it fit in the secondary hull, the ship would have to be at least 2500ft long. That's about 2.5x larger than the prime universe Constitution class.

Oh, and I don't remember Ronnie Corbett being too silent in his sketches. Wink

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First Officer
Starbase 49

Greg Cambell
Lieutenant
Chief Flight Control Officer, Starbase 49

Thats true Commander! LOL
I too have the DVD, but I was merely making comparisons as to comedy duo's, scotty's assistant was another angle to generate comedy from!

However, all in all, I loved the film, and I can't wait to see what there going to do with the time parallel they have created!

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Greg Campbell
Lieutenant
Chief Flight Control Officer
Starbase 49

Zachary Turner
Lieutenant
Assistant Chief Strategic Operations Officer, Starbase 49

Another series perhaps? I hope so! It would give me a reason to get cable.

Im a bout a month and a half late in this but.

The movie was far far FAR better then I had thought that it would be. The plot was a real twisting. I didn't expect that.
Graphics totally sick (in the goood way).

Malis Cross
Command Master Chief Petty Officer
Command Chief, Starbase 49

If it will make you feel any better, I'm posting even later than you. Loved the film, a real roller coaster ride. I didn't think I was going to like the new version of the ship, but I did. As for the time line there were several screw ups. Kirk had two duty assignments prior to the enterprise. And due to age and rank differences, you really couldn't have had all the characters from TOS assigned to the ship yet. But I got to admit that I loved Chekov's part in it all. Kirk was a little to cocky for my taste, and the look was all wrong. Bones, however, wass dead on! Spock... same, same.

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Chief Malis Cross

Jim Kynes
Commander
Executive Officer, Starbase 49

I think it made sense as Kirk didn't join the Academy when he should have, so wouldn't have had the same post-Academy experience, but promoted from Cadet to Captain? A very long shot. Lieutenant, maybe Lieutenant Commander, but Captain? Heck no. And yes, I really liked Chekhov too, but he was too young to have joined the crew, and also he wasn't a Child Prodigy in the real universe. (Oh please say that he won't be the new Wesley Crusher in the next movie...)

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First Officer
Starbase 49

Malis Cross
Command Master Chief Petty Officer
Command Chief, Starbase 49

I agree on Kirk's rise to power... and I hope that we've seen the last of the Wesley Crushers.

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Chief Malis Cross

 Salikar
Lieutenant Commander
Chief Science Officer, Starbase 49

On Kirk's Rise to power, That was a stretch, but isn't Pike's promotion from Captain to Admiral a stretch too? Besides, there must have been some time between getting home and the commendation ceremony. Time for Kirk to do Something else impressive and world saving.

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Lt. Salikar
Chief Science Officer
Starbase 49

Back in Blue

Malis Cross
Command Master Chief Petty Officer
Command Chief, Starbase 49

I agree, but they have to condense the story somehow, or else it would be longer than a Kevin Costner flick. I like detail, but I love good editing more. The story was clear and concise, as far as correct?... well, it is fiction and I guess we'll always find a way to rationalize it into our own perspectives. That's half the fun of it all.

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Chief Malis Cross

Kent Taylor
Captain
Commanding Officer, Starbase 49

Star Trek 11 Just saw the movie, OH YA OH YA, that is the bomb. I could enjoy an other movie or a remake of the 60s tv seiries with them in it.

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Captain Taylor
Commander Starbase 49