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November 30, 2004 - 06:54
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A friend of mine asked me a question the other day, and I've been racking my brain to try and find the answer.
We noticed that the Borg (to the best of our knowledge) were never on DS9, and we then wondered, "what would happen if the changelings were assimilated?" Is it even possible? I really hope someone has an answer to this question.
And if this isn't the place to find the answer, can someone please be so kind as to direct me to a source where I may possibly find the answer.
Many Many Thanks in Advance,
Robert J. Panetta

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December 1, 2004 - 00:48
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startrekmankent
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I looked in all the files and the Borg was not in "DS9". And I'm not sure if we can discuss that in this post...

You can go here and look through all the files and see, it  has everything.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/index.html

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December 4, 2004 - 05:37
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I know for a fact the Borg were never on DS9. And I think the Borg would loose to the Changelings because they are liquid life forms. They don't hold a shape, so I don't see how the nanoprobes that are injected could work the same way. Just my opinion.

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December 12, 2004 - 04:52
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That is a good point, but if the Borg did assimalat them would the borg be liquid life forms, that would really shake up the statis quo...

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December 12, 2004 - 14:17
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Maybe the Borg aren't even capable of assimilating them. A bit like Species 8472.

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December 12, 2004 - 22:54
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I believe that to be a true statment, Captain, and it can found here. but there is nothing about the Borg...

Changeling:

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/aliens/DS9/article/70575.html

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December 19, 2004 - 15:54
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Changeling borg, ha. That would be something I would love to see. I would think that if they were, then we probably would have lost against them since it was hard to control only changlings.

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December 19, 2004 - 18:58
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Yeah, it would be cool. But I don't still don't think the Borg are capable of assimilating the Changlings. I think that would be the second race they wouldn't be able to aquire knowledge from. We know what the other one is.

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December 19, 2004 - 19:48
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I think everyone knows what race that is. Wink

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December 19, 2004 - 21:28
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We heard in Voyager, the Borg could not assimalate Species 8472, also the Borg was not part of DS9, that I can remember, when I checked it out there was no mention of the Borg..

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December 20, 2004 - 00:38
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Yea, I don't think the Borg were ever mantioned on DS9 but its like... What if they were on DS9 and confonted the changlings?

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December 20, 2004 - 00:45
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[quote author=Athena Zoden link=1101797654/0#2 date=1102131457]I know for a fact the Borg were never on DS9. And I think the Borg would loose to the Changelings because they are liquid life forms. They don't hold a shape, so I don't see how the nanoprobes that are injected could work the same way. Just my opinion.



This is the best explanation yet...are you sure you don't want to be part of the Science Team?-LOL

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December 20, 2004 - 01:58
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[quote author=Athena Zoden link=1101797654/0#2 date=1102131457]I know for a fact the Borg were never on DS9. And I think the Borg would loose to the Changelings because they are liquid life forms. They don't hold a shape, so I don't see how the nanoprobes that are injected could work the same way. Just my opinion.



I think the only way they could adapt is adding flippers of some sort to move around. Or even possible to engage a auto freezing type device and then assimilate them.

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December 20, 2004 - 14:11
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[quote author=Kent Taylor link=1101797654/0#9 date=1103484528]We heard in Voyager, the Borg could not assimalate Species 8472, also the Borg was not part of DS9, that I can remember, when I checked it out there was no mention of the Borg..



What about the pilot episode? Sisko's wife is killed by Locutus in the battle of Wolf 359.

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December 20, 2004 - 14:28
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Your absolutly correct. How could anyone forget that episode? But I beleive that everyone is saying that was the Borg a part of DS9 as a series. The Borg only showed up in that episode just to clear up the differences between Picard and Sisko.

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December 20, 2004 - 14:41
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Yeah, the battle of Wolf 359 was used in a flashback for understanding Sisko and his motivations. Which in my opinion was a good move. It let you see more of the victims from that battle because up until that time all you saw was a wasteland of ships that the Enterprise had come upon.

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December 20, 2004 - 14:43
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Seeing all those ships made me sad and made me understand why Sisko hated Picard so much, eventhough it wasn't Picard's fault.

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December 20, 2004 - 18:42
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Yes, and as you could tell, eventually I think Sisko grew to acknowledge that. In the end, everyone was  victim of that battle.

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December 20, 2004 - 23:48
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Indeed. Everone that watched the show was a victim of the battle. So sad I cried! Sad

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January 5, 2005 - 05:54
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Everyone that felt the show was a victim of the battle Surprized

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January 6, 2005 - 00:03
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Umm... yea... that too. LOL

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January 13, 2005 - 00:17
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Just a to go back and talk about the changelings...Odo has a comm badge he wears all the time...even when he changes into other things,(Episode 11 "Devil in the Sky" When odo is impersinating a HORTA to lure the young hortas back to the habitat ring, he uses his comm badge to notify OPS of his current situation).

My question is, if odo's "material" what he's made up of, is always part of him, then where is the communicators power source?

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if he is able to create and absorb the communicator, then maybe, when assimilate, the changeling/borg just shift the nano probes in and out of liquid. Cool

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January 13, 2005 - 02:52
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Good question, I'm not sure what he would do. Maybe the energy for the badge comes from natural body energy.

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January 22, 2005 - 01:21
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The Borg had no contact with the Changlings, the only way the Borg were in DS9 was in a flashback...IMO

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January 22, 2005 - 05:23
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Yeah. In the series pilot. The Emissary from Sisko's POV. OTherwise no Borg to my knowledge.

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January 22, 2005 - 05:38
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Sooooo there is no way to assimalate the changlings- No we don't know that, what we do know is the Borg was not in DS9,IMO

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January 31, 2005 - 22:43
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I doubt the Borg could assimilate changelings because they could disguse themselves as inanimate objects and so on.

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February 11, 2005 - 13:45
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So there for they wouldn't even get a chance to, but on the other hand, all the borg would have to do is stick that inanimate object and they gotem...  

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February 11, 2005 - 22:08
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I think that if one were assimilated, it would be very easy for him (it?) to undo the assimilation process.

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February 11, 2005 - 22:14
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How? if they disguse them selves that means they are still themselves...

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February 12, 2005 - 21:49
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Well, I mean they can totally change their form, right?  So if they were assimilated, they can probably push the technology out of them by turning inside out, or changing body functions to neuturalize the effects of the assimilation technology...I dunno.

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February 14, 2005 - 02:01
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That sounded so logical and it's the best explination I've heard so far...

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February 14, 2005 - 02:39
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I give that a double thumbs up. Very good response from a recent recruit. Definately want to see more of that from you.

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March 6, 2005 - 10:32
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I know

[quote author=Daniel Malneritch link=1101797654/30#30 date=1108237798]Well, I mean they can totally change their form, right?  So if they were assimilated, they can probably push the technology out of them by turning inside out, or changing body functions to neuturalize the effects of the assimilation technology...I dunno.



But what about the Nanobots, Do they secret a fluid?

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April 16, 2005 - 08:45
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Maybe

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June 7, 2005 - 01:44
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8)vs  :-/

i think  :-/ will win on hand to hand combat

you can't assmilated somthing fluid erm..... there whole bord and the turn in to a bird than every thing just fall of  erhm right hmmm intresting

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June 25, 2005 - 06:16
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Yeah  :-/ would win on hand to hand combat, but in space, with energy weapons, it might get close

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June 28, 2005 - 19:34
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In space, the  8) would whoop the  :-/ .

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June 29, 2005 - 11:59
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Exactly

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July 1, 2005 - 01:56
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Shirra Cza (not verified)

;D ;D ;D Thank you *bows*

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July 1, 2005 - 11:28
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Your welcome *nods*

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July 2, 2005 - 20:59
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*hugs cptnlochner*  ;D

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July 13, 2005 - 11:37
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cptnlochner is surprised, but nevertheless returns the hug. Smile

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July 16, 2005 - 04:27
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OMG, why are you surprised?  :(

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July 18, 2005 - 08:09
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a girl other than isabel hugged me. thankyou Shirra

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July 18, 2005 - 17:38
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Shirra Cza (not verified)

??? Who is this Isabel  ???

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August 5, 2005 - 12:24
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thats for me to enjoy and keep as my eternal lov...secret

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August 11, 2005 - 06:55
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Okay...BOT

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October 5, 2005 - 11:29
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I think we should get back on track. What would happen if the borg assimilated a changeling

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October 26, 2005 - 14:40
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I don't think assimilation is possible. Changelings are more fluidic. So I don't see it happening. I think if a battle erupted between the two, it would be a stalemate. they'd end up killing each other. IMHO

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November 16, 2005 - 18:07
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I concour with the councils assesmant, to a degree, although they are fludic, i believe that the assimilation of the individual cells would result in a super borg Smile

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November 25, 2005 - 22:44
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I don't think it is possible for a Borg to assimilate a Changeling at all. The Changeling wouldn't be in that situation in the first place. Second, there are no pathways for the nanoprobes to travel by. Also, the Changeling could manipulate it's cellular structure to avoid the nanoprobes

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